John Gillen speaks with Castle Island Ventures investor Wyatt Kazra Shahi about DeFi’s shift from token speculation toward durable financial products. They examine why total value locked can obscure protocol health, how looping reveals the market’s perceived risk-free rate, and why active loans, product-level capital, and revenue drivers offer better measures of performance.
Kazra Shahi argues that tokenized yield products and real-world assets could keep capital onchain when crypto markets weaken, provided issuers offer clear disclosures and direct exposure to high-quality assets. He also explains why established Wall Street firms could become a catalyst by entering tokenization or vault curation, creating trust and a potential regulatory precedent for the wider market.
For DeFi users, the practical lesson is to distinguish long-term investments from short-term runners and be honest about which game they are playing. Kazra Shahi recommends favoring tested products, newly originated assets, transparent issuers, and simple structures over recursive wrappers whose underlying risks are difficult to assess.
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